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Post by LHR02 on Apr 1, 2005 13:33:59 GMT -5
 While not a Catholic I have long admired this man. His time was coming of course, nevertheless, sad news indeed.
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Post by dumbdiety on Apr 1, 2005 13:49:38 GMT -5
Not dead yet...worsening, yes, but not dead. Where'd you hear this?
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Post by AnneGurrl on Apr 1, 2005 14:03:52 GMT -5
They just announced it on the radio just a few minutes ago. They did say it was an "unofficial" report and are waiting. I agree with dustoff...I'm not Catholic, but he is an amazing man.  |
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Post by LHR02 on Apr 1, 2005 15:29:08 GMT -5
As is true of the MSM these days.....SkyItalia, Fox, AP were reporting his death....now I have returned home to find not as yet.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 2, 2005 12:02:15 GMT -5
Nope, not dead yet, but yes, he is agonizing. Poor man, I am also not such a believer, but he did great things!
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Post by Jocelyne on Apr 2, 2005 15:57:25 GMT -5
they announced this afternoon that the pope has died
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Post by LHR02 on Apr 2, 2005 17:42:11 GMT -5
A good and holy man...the only Pope those of my children's generation have ever known......has died. I can only equate it to the death of Pope John 23rd...which I am old enough to remember well. (Although I must admit to be a bit disconcerted to having seen his body at the Vatican!). A true friend to all who believed in liberty and freedom.....I wish I was in Rome today to pay my respects. WT...I envy you your recent visit and audience.
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Post by MuvverRussia on Apr 2, 2005 19:56:03 GMT -5
Whilst I am a Catholic, I'd have to say that the Pope is far, far more than just a spiritual leader. John Paul II was a global statesman and we must remember him for that, especially the work he did towards overcoming Communism.
It'll certainly be interesting to see who is successor is though. Personally, I believe it may be another political appointment, with either a Latin American, or African Pope. Also, it's times like this when there is the greatest scope for change within the Church - John Paul II was a hardliner and it'll be interesting to see what the new Pope says/does in comparison.
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Post by stanncie on Apr 2, 2005 20:49:01 GMT -5
it's indeed a very sad day i had the fortune of seeing the pope twice. Once in Peru as a school girl where i attended a mass he presided and again last year in the vatican. I went to the papal audience held on wednesdays i think and saw him. He looked so frail, it's incredible he lasted this long. |
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Post by LHR02 on Apr 3, 2005 10:41:45 GMT -5
Well said Muvver.....as a non-Catholic it is in his role as a statesman that I most admire him. Aside from President Reagan, no one did more toward promoting the freedom of Eastern Europe and the defeat of communism. Since all but 3 of the cardinals that will be voting for the next Pope were appointed by John Paul I would expect them to choose someone in line with his beliefs and persuasions. But who knows. Again, I would dearly love to be in Rome over the next few days to be able to pay my respects to this great man.
Stanncie...I envy you your memories!
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Post by WillTravel on Apr 3, 2005 12:47:29 GMT -5
WT...I envy you your recent visit and audience. I've thought many times how fortunate I was to see him in January. That was one of the last opportunities to actually hear him speak. My condolences to all the Catholics, and particularly the Poles, who will miss him so much - I'll never forget the deep connection the pope had with the audience, as old and frail as he was. |
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Post by stanncie on Apr 3, 2005 13:08:28 GMT -5
thanks ging, i really appreciate it more now. As a little girl i did not understand the significance of it. Everyone in my family has seen the pope at least once cuz they are all staunch catholics. I'm the least religious of all but i've found that as i get older i appreciate my faith more and more. Has this happened to anyone else? I mean i questioned my religion very seriously as a teenager and young adult, but now in my late twenties i really feel a strong pull to reconnect
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Post by Jocelyne on Apr 4, 2005 9:59:54 GMT -5
My friend has friends in Rome and he said it is so somber in rome at the moment you can feel the sadness. He was a great man!
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Post by LHR02 on Apr 4, 2005 11:25:33 GMT -5
May I give voice to my inner stomach cramps??? I am so pleased that the Presidents Bush, Bush, and Clinton are going to attend, (hmmmmmm....interesting that the dimwit Carter is not among that group....and it's okay, I am allowed to say that  )along with reportedly over 200 world leaders. This great man deserves all the respect and honor that will be shown him. And yet....every world leader of any consequence, expected 2 million pilgrams, the death of one of the highest leaders of the Christian world...... what a security and intelligience nightmare! And I won't feel good in my skin till it is hopefully uneventfully over and all are home safely. |
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Post by WillTravel on Apr 4, 2005 11:34:31 GMT -5
The possible terrorist implications are a major concern. I hope they have been working on a security plan for years.
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)along with reportedly over 200 world leaders. This great man deserves all the respect and honor that will be shown him.