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Post by nitsansh on Dec 6, 2002 14:18:20 GMT -5
The route I thought of is to drive towards Salzburg and see Chimsee and the "Versailles" palace en route, but I see you have reservations about that place in winter... from Salzburg to take the Deutche Alpenstrasse route along the
German-Austrian border all the way to the Konigschlosser near Fussen and back to Munchen. This could be easily done in 3 days, don't you think?
What places between Salzburg and Linderhof are worth seeing in mid-winter...
I also thought of driving the Romantische Strasse route northward as far as Rothenburg OD Tauber. It's a great route that must be done by car, but do they have the time for all this?
Is a route Munchen-Rothenbourg-Fussen-Salzburg-Munchen doable in 3 days with all the attractions in between?
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Post by LHR02 on Dec 6, 2002 14:44:53 GMT -5
>>>>>>>>Is a route Munchen-Rothenbourg-Fussen-Salzburg-Munchen doable in 3 days with all the attractions in between? <<<<<
I'd say no.....that's an awful lot. Would allow little more than a 'drive by' of most things. Add to that they are not familiar with German roads and German driving, the time of year (and although I praise their road care it does indeed snow and they can not have it cleared instantly) and just basic unfamiliarity of the area.
Let's wait and see what they want to do....the first part of your suggested route would work if this is the way she wants to do this.
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Post by Abfab on Dec 9, 2002 0:04:57 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input, research, advise, experience. Here is the intinary to date: arrive Munich 1/7 at 1 p.m., sight see city,stay at 4umunchen hostel overnight. Leave early train to Salzburg, take sound of music tour, mozart's home, walk to city sites, stay overnight (trying to book Institute St. sebastian, can't get to website) leave on train the next morning to Munich airport, where we will pick-up arriving 16 year old daughter who got ticket for Xmas, and adult friend of family, rent car drive 55 miles to stay in castle hotel schloss Eggersberg (at this point I will be traveling with both daughters and they wanted to stay in castle) leave the next morning and drive to Neuschwanstein and then Linerhof, after seeing both castles,stay in Fussen for the night.Next day go to Andechs, (must eat there after reading your review) then drive to Dachau concentration camp, then to Munich, staying at 1st Creatif Elephant for the night (1/11) and departing for home the next day. ----Whew! just hope it's not toooo cold!!
Does that sound doable?
Jan.1-7 Rome
Jan. 7- Munich
Jan.8-Salzburg
Jan.9-12-Munich
Yes, I love the tours as an option, too. Lots of times it is less $ than on own and has other bennies. Booked one to Pompeii from Rome Jan.3. ( Did one to Capri from Rome last year, loved it. ) Also, city sight seeing hop-on hop-off all day tours are great, $11 all day pass at all the stops and good for rail and busin Munich.
We will be coming back from Rome and are trying to squeeze in germany and Austria as cheaply as possible. (I might be able to write a budget travel guide upon return! LOL..or at least I will be able to help out on some posts). Adding other daughter has cut into my budget; can you believe that's what she wanted for her Xmas present? She just couldn't let her sissy have one country up on her!
Anyway, let me know what you think............
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Post by LHR02 on Dec 9, 2002 5:37:56 GMT -5
I think that's doable. Going to feel a bit rushed as you have quite a bit of driving, but if you get early starts you should have time for all you included. Just remember it gets dark quite early in that area that time of year. Couple of things I will mention................... Motzart's house(s)....unless you are one HUGE fan, don't bother. It's pricey, I am certain he would never recognize any of them at all ;D and basically just empty rooms with some showcases containing sheet music and a couple of lesser, practice violins. And more info on his sister and father than on him. In other words.....a tourist trap, one I fell into. ;D Instead, take the ride up to the festungsalzburg, the castle. THAT is totally worth the cost. Excellent tour, and fabulous views. I was there late in the day and got some drop dead gorgeous pictures of the mountains at sunset. On the SOM tour, when you get to Mondsee where the wedding church is they will suggest a couple of spots for lunch and you will have about an hour here. Go see the church first! But, the little cafe they will point out is great! Wonderful soup! (The one pretty much straight across from the church, if I recall correctly it is a pinkish color, but don't quote me on that). At Neuschweinstein, unless it is bitterly cold, pay for the horse ride up, but walk back. Believe me, it's a steep long hike and since you are a bit pressed for time just pay for the ride.  Of course, it is an easy walk down, but if it is cold you might want to ride and get it over with quickly. Be sure not to shortchange yourself timewise on Linderhof.....and while the first two allow absolutely NO PHOTOS or videos, Linderhof does, just no flash. Get a good lowlight film for here, trust me you will want some pics. ;D I leave Wednesday night, so ask me quick any other questions I might be able to help with. ;D Be sure and post some 'Live from Europe' reports if you get a chance. Netcafe's are everywhere and relatively inexpensive these days. We'll want to hear how you are doing. bon voyage! ging |
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Post by nitsansh on Dec 9, 2002 9:34:35 GMT -5
So I understand you will be 4 travellers, isn't it?
Then surely car rental is a good deal, since even if 4 people require a higher class than 2, it's a marginal cost compared with tours and public transportation.
Is it OK with the other 2 travellers that they'll miss Salzburg?
Because pricewise, I guess it will be cheaper if you visit Munich and places nearby (Dachau and Andechs are both very close to Munich. I Don't know about Andechs but Dachau is easily accesible by the S-bahn from Munich) instead of going to Salzburg and back.
Also, I think you would see nothing of Munich itself, since you have barely 2 hours before it gets dark on day one to explore the city...
And also, I don't like the idea of staying at a different place everyday...
So let me suggest an alternative itinerary:
Jan 7: Arrive to Munich, check into the hostel for 2 nights. By the time you've done that, it should be around 3PM, and not much daylight left... sunset in January is around 4.30PM.
Jan 8: Spend the morning sight seeing in Munich, and in the afternoon visit Dachau or Andechs (you won't have time for both).
Jan 9: This depends on the time the 2 other travellers arrive... since you planned to arrive from Salzburg, I guess it won't be early in the day, so you should have time to see more of Munich and nearby. If you're keen on palaces, you should see Nymphenburg. After picking up your travel mates and the rental car, go to the castle as planned.
[edit: If there is time left, you may see Andechs or Dachau instead of previous day]
Jan 10: See the Kings castles. I understand that you leave out Hohenschwangau... instead of staying overnight in Fussen, I suggest that you move on eastward towards Salzburg, or perhaps stay another night at the castle (can you afford another night there?).
[edit: This is not possible after I checked the castle's location]
Jan 11: Drive to Salzburg and see the city. Stay overnight anywhere you find suitable between Salzburg and Munich.
Day 12: Drive back to the airport, drop off the car and fly home. Is there any time for sight seeing on this day?
It would help if you specify the times of the other 2 flights.
And also... what is the location of the castle you plan to stay?
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Post by nitsansh on Dec 9, 2002 9:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by nitsansh on Dec 9, 2002 10:17:54 GMT -5
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Post by LHR02 on Dec 9, 2002 12:11:45 GMT -5
>>>>>>Also, I think you would see nothing of Munich itself, since you have barely 2 hours before it gets dark on day one to explore the city...<<<<<
according to her plans they have the last 3 days in Munich. It's Salzburg which they have short time in, only the one day. However, I took the SOM tour and visited the Hohensalzburg on the same day, so that is possible within her time frame.
If memory serves, Andechs is sw of the city, but for sure it is on the west side.
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Post by nitsansh on Dec 9, 2002 13:01:42 GMT -5
As I understood their itinerary, they arrive on the afternoon of Jan 7 and stay overnight in Munich. Then leave to Salzburg on the morning of Jan 8, and will be back only in the afternoon of Jan 11. They stay in Salzburg Jan 8, Schloss Eggersberg Jan 9 and Fussen Jan 10. On Jan 11 they want to visit Dachau and Andechs before getting back to Munich, and fly out on Jan 12.
Whichever way you try to play with the schedule, the blanket is too short to cover it all...
Andechs is south-west of Munchen, near (lake) Ammersee.
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Of course, it is an easy walk down, but if it is cold you might want to ride and get it over with quickly. Be sure not to shortchange yourself timewise on Linderhof.....and while the first two allow absolutely NO PHOTOS or videos, Linderhof does, just no flash. Get a good lowlight film for here, trust me you will want some pics. ;D