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Post by Jules80 on Dec 13, 2005 22:59:07 GMT -5
well yes... teachers require a university education. and while i can't speak for the US, in quebec, you can be a nurse with only college but you get paid a lot less than if you get a nursing degree in uni.
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Post by jennifer on Dec 13, 2005 23:11:25 GMT -5
No problem, don't worry about the taking over! At least this conversation is taking us somewhere  |
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Post by me on Dec 13, 2005 23:22:27 GMT -5
well yes... teachers require a university education. and while i can't speak for the US, in quebec, you can be a nurse with only college but you get paid a lot less than if you get a nursing degree in uni. you are absolutely right! don't know where my mind was as i typed that. sorry. <i know about the educational requirements. just didn't connect a & b in my head!> right now, USA has an awful nurse shortage. so, the pay scale is higher. lots of RN's from elsewhere in the world are moving to USA. many are coming from Africa & Asia, especially South Asia. it's a mess. many in medical field in Asia & Africa fear a shortage there because so many are moving to America. it's a brain drain for much of the world. - d edit: when my dad was in hospital near the end of his life, of half a dozen nurses, only one was an angelo-american man. the rest were angelo-american women <including the supervisory nurse> several African women from various parts of the continent, an African man from Nigeria and a woman from former Yugoslavia - i think it was Kosova - she'd gotten her nursing degree in Germany. Mom got a bad cold & couldn't come to see Dad for over a month. she was well enough to come back for the last 2 weeks before Dad passed. as i was the only family member without other obligations, i spent 16 hours a day at hospital with him. <i'd spent 8 - 10 hours before Mom got sick> so, i got to know a litttle about the nurses. [our thought was that if we showed interest and monitored what all happened to him, he'd get better care] |
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Post by me on Dec 14, 2005 15:00:25 GMT -5
with only college but you get paid a lot less than if you get a nursing degree in uni. Jules, am i to understand that a university degree is thought to be higher than a college degree in Canada? in USA, many colleges have higher ratings than most universities! actually, here the term university refers to a collection of colleges for different disciplines. among those with knowledge of academic process, small, exclusive schools are often more prized. |
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Post by Jules80 on Dec 14, 2005 15:45:52 GMT -5
well, generally yes. generally speaking colleges issue diplomas universities issue degrees. what i am most familiar with is the quebec system: high school here is until grade 11. then (if you are planning on university) you do a two year pre-uni program at college (called CEGEP = College d'education general et professionel). if you're planing on science or engineering, you do science if it social science you're planning on, you do a diploma in social sciences... etc. then you go to university where you do a 3 year program (some engineering degrees are 4). CEGEP ends up being the equivalent of the US last year of highschool + freshman year. however, if you are not planning on uni, CEGEPs have a host of professional programs such as nursing, dental hygenist, airplane mechanics, theatre, police technology (before you go to the academy), early childhood education... etc... there are tons of prof programs that is just a sampling. obviously doing one of these doesn't stop you from going to uni but these programs are all 3 years long and you end up with a diploma not a bachelors degree. they're also designed to give you a marketable skill whereas the 2 year program ends up giving you the pre-reqs for uni (like freshman physics, math, biology, chem - in my case as i was in science).
jules
oh yeah and i should mention, CEGEP is VERY cheap... it costs about 150$ per semester.
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Post by me on Dec 14, 2005 16:55:26 GMT -5
oh yeah and i should mention, CEGEP is VERY cheap... it costs about 150$ per semester. wow! that is cheap. my alma mater, Austin College - accredited to award Bachelor of Arts (BA) and Master of Arts in Teaching (MAT) degrees, tuition costs about US$20,000 per year. and, for a liberal arts college of its reputation, is considered cheap. |
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Post by Jules80 on Dec 14, 2005 16:58:19 GMT -5
yup long live gov't subsidized educations! my tuition fees are for uni were 2400$ a year CDN!  |
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Post by jennifer on Dec 14, 2005 16:59:40 GMT -5
Ah Jules, aren't we lucky! Cegep is cheap here, I mean, 100 + books, is not much! And to us, University is expensive and it's about a thousand per semester plus books, so it's not that bad compared to you |
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Post by Jules80 on Dec 14, 2005 17:09:57 GMT -5
we are indeed lucky, jen! and my last two years of uni i hardly had any books! when you get that specific in science, there aren't usually many text books that are usefull for a class... we usually had course packs and papers to read.
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Post by me on Dec 14, 2005 17:10:06 GMT -5
books, fees, room & board, add at least US$5,000 to that US$20,000 each year. [AC is a residential campus, underclassmen are required to live on campus]
edit: upper level classes are heavy on primary sources, textbooks are of limited use. they still had lots of them, and cost a lot, of course!
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Post by Jules80 on Dec 14, 2005 17:11:30 GMT -5
wow that is nutty! no wonder we got soooooo many americans at mcgill!
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Post by me on Dec 14, 2005 17:50:30 GMT -5
is McGill a public university? that might make the difference. Austin College is a private college.
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Post by Jules80 on Dec 14, 2005 18:04:21 GMT -5
university in canada has always been public (i guess) until last year... when i believe university of toronto went private. as far as i know its the only one.
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Post by me on Dec 14, 2005 18:17:34 GMT -5
just looked at the www.utoronto.ca/ website. they need help with that! the font is too small, illegible! btw, Jules, i like your sig quote! |
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Post by Jules80 on Dec 14, 2005 22:33:19 GMT -5
i had no problems when i followed your link thanks i enjoy einstein quotes... there are a few good ones out there |
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